May 03 15:00:21 <jonrafkind>	bremner_, is there a difference between freebsd useland and solaris?
May 03 15:00:33 <XTL>	And their users are obnoxious and it's pc centered. I prefer Net/OpenBSD
May 03 15:00:35 <ASau>	jonrafkind: have you ever worked with both?
May 03 15:00:39 <jonrafkind>	yes
May 03 15:00:48 <jonrafkind>	although its been a few years
May 03 15:00:52 <ASau>	Didn't notice differences?
May 03 15:00:55 <jonrafkind>	both use toolsets from the 70s
May 03 15:01:15 <ASau>	GNU uses the same toolset from 70s.
May 03 15:01:21 <jonrafkind>	--color-auto ?
May 03 15:01:35 <ASau>	What does it change?
May 03 15:01:38 <jonrafkind>	adds color
May 03 15:01:53 <ASau>	So, adding colour is fundamental to you.
May 03 15:01:56 <ASau>	Weird.
May 03 15:02:16 <sjamaan>	FreeBSD's ls has color!
May 03 15:02:32 <sjamaan>	It's in pkgsrc as one of the two ls(1) alternatives that can add color
May 03 15:02:57 <ASau>	Never used it when worked with FreeBSD.
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May 03 15:03:28 <sjamaan>	oh actually, it isn't
May 03 15:03:41 <sjamaan>	"This is a simple hack to the FreeBSD /bin/ls to use ANSI sequences to display file attributes in color."
May 03 15:03:44 <sjamaan>	misc/colorls
May 03 15:03:49 <sjamaan>	I thought it was stock FreeBSD ls
May 03 15:04:01 <sjamaan>	The other is GNU's
May 03 15:04:30 <ASau>	"alias ls ls -F" is canonical way, if you like visual marks so much.
May 03 15:04:58 *	sjamaan has that
May 03 15:04:59 <ASau>	Actually, I don't remember many people do.
May 03 15:05:12 <jonrafkind>	you dont use any visual marks?
May 03 15:05:18 <ASau>	Sure.
May 03 15:05:24 <ASau>	Why do I need them?
May 03 15:06:06 <jonrafkind>	i gotta say that is the strangest thing ive ever heard in my life
May 03 15:06:34 <sjamaan>	jonrafkind: ASau is strange. Get used to it ;)
May 03 15:06:38 <ASau>	How exactly could I use those visual marks?
May 03 15:06:48 <jonrafkind>	to detect if a file is executable, a directory, a symlink, a few other things
May 03 15:06:57 <jonrafkind>	easier than ls -l and parsing the output
May 03 15:07:01 <ASau>	If file is in ~/bin, it is executable.
May 03 15:07:17 <ASau>	If file isn't in ~/bin, it doesn't matter, since it isn't in PATH.
May 03 15:07:23 <jonrafkind>	./foo
May 03 15:07:36 <ASau>	Why do you need that?
May 03 15:07:39 <jonrafkind>	to run the file foo
May 03 15:08:10 <ASau>	I don't run files from current directory.
May 03 15:08:16 <Riastradh>	You're being deliberately contrarian, ASau...  `ls -F' is useful.
May 03 15:08:17 <ASau>	I use make.
May 03 15:08:19 <jonrafkind>	it just keeps getting wierder
May 03 15:08:38 <jonrafkind>	you mean you always install all programs before running them
May 03 15:08:49 <ASau>	No.
May 03 15:08:58 <jonrafkind>	what does make have to do with running files from the current directory
May 03 15:09:00 <ASau>	I just use make to perform complex tasks.
May 03 15:09:23 <ASau>	Make calls appropriate interpreter from PATH.
May 03 15:09:26 <jonrafkind>	so you write a Makefile with all: ./foo and run make?
May 03 15:09:46 *	bremner_ happily concedes the e-macho contest ;)
May 03 15:09:50 <ASau>	And if script is useful in more places, it is in ~/bin
May 03 15:09:56 <sjamaan>	ASau *loves* to argue
May 03 15:10:05 <jonrafkind>	i half expect ASau to say he writes his own keyboard drivers upon every bootup
May 03 15:10:26 *	ASau laughs.
May 03 15:10:27 <sjamaan>	nah, he just enjoys arguing. In reality he probably uses Windows
May 03 15:10:32 <jonrafkind>	oh rofl
May 03 15:10:52 <ASau>	In reality I do use NT as well.
May 03 15:10:58 <sjamaan>	heh
May 03 15:11:05 <ASau>	Though it is used only as a kind of bootloader.
May 03 15:11:17 <ASau>	It runs virtualbox with operating system inside.
May 03 15:11:17 <jonrafkind>	i met a guy in college once who said he never runs X, at that point I knew we could not communicate further
May 03 15:12:13 <ASau>	jonrafkind: you communicate only by sharing desktop via VNC?
May 03 15:12:19 <fds>	Heh
May 03 15:12:30 <jonrafkind>	yea good one